Discussion:
I can tell it's almost Election Day
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Mike Andrews
2006-10-23 19:40:48 UTC
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I'm seeing partisan political spam like it's going out of style -- and
it will be, come 7 PM local on November 7, when the polls close. But
right now, at ork, it' hitting us fast and furious.

And I just got clearance from $BOSS and TheLawyers to block partisan
political mail. All of it.

Something about "state government facilities shall not be used to
advocate for any political candidate, or to advance partisan political
agendas" and the like. And we're state gummint, so it applies here.

Eat hot "550 5.7.1", politicians!
--
Lots of couples say, "We want a baby."

I never heard one say, "We want a teen-ager."
-- Ruth Moore, private communication
Kenneth Brody
2006-10-23 22:45:10 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
I'm seeing partisan political spam like it's going out of style -- and
it will be, come 7 PM local on November 7, when the polls close. But
right now, at ork, it' hitting us fast and furious.
We got a phone call from a politician... On a number that's on the
do-not-call list... (Yes, I know that politicians exempted themselves.)
Which is simply a recording explaining our business, with the option
to press a certain non-zero number to forward to an answering service...
And the caller listened to the recording enough to determine which number
to press, and pressed it to talk to our answering service... Thereby
costing us actual money to receive the message "This was a politcal for
the running of John Hall."

I'm trying to figure the best way to send him a bill. (Not that I
expect to get reimbursed. I just want to let him know I'm not
pleased. That, and to tell him that I was thinking of voting for
him prior to this incident, but not any more.)

[...]
Post by Mike Andrews
Something about "state government facilities shall not be used to
advocate for any political candidate, or to advance partisan political
agendas" and the like. And we're state gummint, so it applies here.
Then there's the local incumbent who sent out campaign literature with
her government office as the "contact us" address.
Post by Mike Andrews
Eat hot "550 5.7.1", politicians!
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Ned Brickley
2006-10-24 08:57:34 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:45:10 -0400, Kenneth Brody
Post by Kenneth Brody
We got a phone call from a politician... On a number that's on the
do-not-call list... (Yes, I know that politicians exempted themselves.)
Which is simply a recording explaining our business, with the option
to press a certain non-zero number to forward to an answering service...
And the caller listened to the recording enough to determine which number
to press, and pressed it to talk to our answering service... Thereby
costing us actual money to receive the message "This was a politcal for
the running of John Hall."
When I get live calls at home I don't want to talk I have my wife
answer them. She then proceeds to curse them out in the nicest
sounding voice you have ever heard.

Oh, she does it in Mandarin Chinese too. ;)
--
"If these people only had a clue, they might only be... stupid."
Omri Schwarz
2006-10-24 21:44:49 UTC
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Post by Ned Brickley
When I get live calls at home I don't want to talk I have my wife
answer them. She then proceeds to curse them out in the nicest
sounding voice you have ever heard.
Oh, she does it in Mandarin Chinese too. ;)
My voice mail message (for my next landline) is "Lorem Ipsum."

If you don't know why I recite "Lorem Ipsum" in a fake
Scandinavian accent into the voice mail greeting, you'll
have to contact me some other way.
--
Omri Schwarz --- ***@mit.edu ('h' before war)
Timeless wisdom of biomedical engineering: "Noise is principally
due to the presence of the patient." -- R.F. Farr
ptomblin+ (Paul Tomblin)
2006-10-23 23:41:32 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
I'm seeing partisan political spam like it's going out of style -- and
it will be, come 7 PM local on November 7, when the polls close. But
I've seen a shitload of spam with subject lines mentioning hot button
political issues, but which when you open them are actually standard
pump-and-dump stock spams.
--
Paul Tomblin <***@xcski.com> http://blog.xcski.com/
Real programmers don't comment their code. It was hard to write, it
should be hard to understand.
Mike Andrews
2006-10-23 23:46:17 UTC
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Post by ptomblin+ (Paul Tomblin)
Post by Mike Andrews
I'm seeing partisan political spam like it's going out of style -- and
it will be, come 7 PM local on November 7, when the polls close. But
I've seen a shitload of spam with subject lines mentioning hot button
political issues, but which when you open them are actually standard
pump-and-dump stock spams.
Maybe not quite bog-standard: the fsckers are getting wicked smart
about it. Now they're using _animated_ GIFs, with the first few frames
blank or containing only a few random scratch-like marks. S'OK: I'm
blocking animated GIFs now.
--
The light at the end of the tunnel is the explosives around
that little ball of Pu239.
Me, in the Monastery, Christmas week, 2001.
Kevin @kevingoebel.dot. com>
2006-10-24 04:38:33 UTC
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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:46:17 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Andrews"
Post by Mike Andrews
Post by ptomblin+ (Paul Tomblin)
Post by Mike Andrews
I'm seeing partisan political spam like it's going out of style -- and
it will be, come 7 PM local on November 7, when the polls close. But
I've seen a shitload of spam with subject lines mentioning hot button
political issues, but which when you open them are actually standard
pump-and-dump stock spams.
Maybe not quite bog-standard: the fsckers are getting wicked smart
about it. Now they're using _animated_ GIFs, with the first few frames
blank or containing only a few random scratch-like marks. S'OK: I'm
blocking animated GIFs now.
I wish I could block GIFs, I was already fscking pissed with the stock spam
and lately the druggie and gambling spam has picked up on it. I've bumped up
my punishment preferences for discovered spammers

from: violent painful death
to: violent painful death after BOFH-quality torture

and I am considering upgrading the idiots who respond to it (encouraging
spammers to continue)

from: shove head into monitor with sufficient force to break either
to: violent painful death

Kevin
Steve VanDevender
2006-10-24 05:57:03 UTC
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Post by Kevin @kevingoebel.dot. com>
BOFH-quality torture
By this do you mean the imaginitive torments that BOsFH dream of
inflicting on their lusers, or the all-too-real torments suffered by
BOsFH and inflicted upon them by their PHBs, lusers, sucky hardware
and software, corporate politics, and so on?

As an example of one of the little torments:

Me: "LISA is coming up. Is .edu willing to pay for me to go?"

PHB: "Here is one of our new travel approval forms."

I dutifully fill out the form (including finding the secretary who will
provide an airfare quote obtained from one of our contracted travel
agencies) and hand it in.

The next day . . .

PHB: "Why should we send you to LISA when you are bad?" (This is a
paraphrase, but I am afraid not really an exaggeration. See the recent
thread titled "orkplace follies" for some background. Also, on mornings
when I do not have a scheduled meeting or system maintenance I have
tended to come in at a time of my choice that is sometimes somewhat
later than a specific time the PHB likes, and the PHB is irked by
subordinates who are not subservient conformist little corporate drones.
Yes, this is a .edu, I don't know why the PHB thinks we are really at
some tight-ass VBC.)

Me: "Err, I thought .edu was interested in having employees advance
their professional education? As I have done by attending this
conference on an annual basis for years now? Whatever. You are of
course in the position to approve or disapprove this request as you see
fit." (thinks: "Wow, conference attendance is now going to be 'time off
for good behavior'?")

On to today . . .

I provided high and low estimates, depending on whether they wanted to
pay for extra days of stay and tutorial fees on top of main conference
attendance, and I have been approved for the lesser plan. I guess
because I am so naughty. I am also guessing that the PHB will be saving
this up for a later round of "We gave you something you wanted so OBEY
OBEY OBEY!"
--
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Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
GB
2006-10-24 23:33:58 UTC
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Post by Steve VanDevender
I provided high and low estimates
There's your problem right there. You're supposed to provide three
plans: The high one so grossly decadent that no-one in their right
minds would approve it, the low one so grossly indequate that no-one
in their right minds would approve it, and the one you want.

'course, if that other thread has shown us one thing, it's that
your PHB isn't in its right mind and so YMMV.



GB
--
"Most police misconduct occurs when citizens challenge an individual
officer's authority" (Reiss, 1971 c.in Jermier & Berkes 1979)
Lionel
2006-10-24 06:25:50 UTC
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Post by Kevin @kevingoebel.dot. com>
On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 23:46:17 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Andrews"
Post by Mike Andrews
about it. Now they're using _animated_ GIFs, with the first few frames
blank or containing only a few random scratch-like marks. S'OK: I'm
blocking animated GIFs now.
I wish I could block GIFs,
<UI only for mailadmins, recovery for others>
Oybpx ba gur HHrapbqrq NFPVV sbe gur TVS urnqre.
</UI>
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Robert Uhl
2006-10-25 22:22:11 UTC
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Post by Kevin @kevingoebel.dot. com>
I wish I could block GIFs, I was already fscking pissed with the stock
spam and lately the druggie and gambling spam has picked up on
it. I've bumped up my punishment preferences for discovered spammers
from: violent painful death
to: violent painful death after BOFH-quality torture
Mail to *@invalid.com is forwarded to my personal mailbox, for various
good reasons. This domain is not configured as an open relay, but of
course a spammer can put any From: address he likes on his crap. And of
_course_ a hefty percent of spams are sent to nonexistent email
addresses or to people on vacation. And of course _I_ receive those
emails.

Violent painful death after BOFH-quality torture's too good for 'em. We
need whole new paradigms of pain and a revised vocabulary of violence to
describe what must be done to spammers.
--
In the UNIX world, being dependent on a GUI is the same thing as not
being a sysadmin. --BigZaphod
Howard S Shubs
2006-10-24 23:52:11 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
Maybe not quite bog-standard: the fsckers are getting wicked smart
about it. Now they're using _animated_ GIFs, with the first few frames
blank or containing only a few random scratch-like marks. S'OK: I'm
blocking animated GIFs now.
You're reading e-mail in something that'll render HTML? Are you sure
you belong in this newsgroup?
--
Life is toxic. It leads to death and
too much of it at once can kill you.
mark9
2006-10-25 01:57:14 UTC
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Post by Howard S Shubs
Post by Mike Andrews
Maybe not quite bog-standard: the fsckers are getting wicked smart
about it. Now they're using _animated_ GIFs, with the first few frames
blank or containing only a few random scratch-like marks. S'OK: I'm
blocking animated GIFs now.
You're reading e-mail in something that'll render HTML? Are you sure
you belong in this newsgroup?
That was my first thought, too, but there is the problem of all those
gifs taking up disk space while awaiting transfer to the bit bucket.
Mike Andrews
2006-10-25 12:59:55 UTC
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Post by Howard S Shubs
Post by Mike Andrews
Maybe not quite bog-standard: the fsckers are getting wicked smart
about it. Now they're using _animated_ GIFs, with the first few frames
blank or containing only a few random scratch-like marks. S'OK: I'm
blocking animated GIFs now.
You're reading e-mail in something that'll render HTML? Are you sure
you belong in this newsgroup?
Bite Your Tongue! I read my mail using mutt, as @DEITY intended, at
home. At ork, I've got a copy of Bloated Goats shoved up my ... nose,
but that's what TheIdiotsWhoDecideAltogetherTooManyThings settled on
as a corporate mail-and-calendar system, and it's not my fault!

As you may remember, I run the mailfilters, and it's there that I have
to contend with the never-sufficiently-to-be-damned spammers and worms
and their output. THat output includes P&D spam with animated GIFs, as
well as lots of other stuff, and so we filter admins are in a never-
ending game of _escalatio_ with the spammers and malware writers.

The sigmonster evaluated my statement in the context of my job, and
agrees:
--
MICROSOFT and HASBRO are in the same business. The company that
sacrifices security to fun sells the most toys. That's why WINDOWS
boxes are insecure. -- David Canzi
Dave Brown
2006-10-25 02:35:10 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
Maybe not quite bog-standard: the fsckers are getting wicked smart
about it. Now they're using _animated_ GIFs, with the first few frames
blank or containing only a few random scratch-like marks.
mh didn't care.

It's amazing how many techniques to make spam look not like spam
completely fail when they hit a text-only mailreader.

--Dave
--
"You don't change the way people think by changing what they
say. You change the way people think with HEADLESS CHARRED BODIES
FLYING THROUGH THE AIR. BLOOD! FLAMES! HELLFIRE AND DAMNATION!"
-- Alastair J. R. Young
Maarten Wiltink
2006-10-25 12:45:57 UTC
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"Dave Brown" <***@LART.ca> wrote in message news:***@phb.lart.ca...
[...]
Post by Dave Brown
It's amazing how many techniques to make spam look not like spam
completely fail when they hit a text-only mailreader.
Not to mention serifed, monospaced fonts. 'V/' does _not_ look like 'W';
spaces are suddenly more than one pixel wide; all their tricks suddenly
look as stupid as they are.

Tebrgwrf,
Maarten Wiltink
Jasper Janssen
2006-10-27 10:03:49 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:45:57 +0200, "Maarten Wiltink"
Post by Maarten Wiltink
Not to mention serifed, monospaced fonts. 'V/' does _not_ look like 'W';
spaces are suddenly more than one pixel wide; all their tricks suddenly
look as stupid as they are.
They do in normal fonts, as well, though. It's vaguely readable only
because human pattern recognition is just very, very good. I'm thinking of
that famous sentence where the front and rear letters of each word are
normal and all the interior letters are transposed, which says something
along the lines of "see how this is perfectly readable?", and it really is
almost full-speed readable.

Jasper
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2006-10-24 16:34:03 UTC
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Post by ptomblin+ (Paul Tomblin)
I've seen a shitload of spam with subject lines mentioning hot button
political issues, but which when you open them are actually standard
pump-and-dump stock spams.
Well, I interpret political spam as a request to dump the politician
sending it. I only open spam in order to send a complaint about it.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
GB
2006-10-24 23:42:47 UTC
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Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Well, I interpret political spam as a request to dump the politician
sending it. I only open spam in order to send a complaint about it.
I'm in the habit of sending nicely worded letters to the fax
spammers that offer all kinds corporatey stuff pointing out
that it is my policy as the responsible tech purchasing agent
for my department to place those who send me unsolicited
advertising materials on our Do Not Buy buy list for a period
of one year. I close by politely wishing them better fortune
next year.


The Fax Machine (tm) happens to be physically located in a spot
that I walk past en-route from my office to the boss' office. One
fine day I found myself in the interesting position of holding a
ready-to-be-signed-by-the-boss purchase order for about $10,000
worth of printers in one hand, and an item of fax spam from the
intended supplier in the other.

I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next
year.


NEXT!


GB
--
"Most police misconduct occurs when citizens challenge an individual
officer's authority" (Reiss, 1971 c.in Jermier & Berkes 1979)
Howard S Shubs
2006-10-25 03:04:26 UTC
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Post by GB
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next
year.
And that's as it should be.
--
Life is toxic. It leads to death and
too much of it at once can kill you.
Anthony de Boer - USEnet
2006-10-25 03:53:32 UTC
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Post by GB
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next
year.
One trusts you used the reverse end, or had it capped, such that you
didn't get any ink on your keyboard.
--
Anthony de Boer
/ "Most cats aren't all that good on the concept of object \
[ persistence, as the kid-ed folks call it; I tend to think ]
\ of it as conservation of mass-energy myself." -- Mike Andrews /
GB
2006-10-25 05:49:01 UTC
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Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
Post by GB
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next
year.
One trusts you used the reverse end, or had it capped, such that you
didn't get any ink on your keyboard.
No, I used the pointy end. I must say though, there there remains a
lot of work to be done before OCR software becomes sufficiently good
at recognising the caligraphic output of a quill pen that it might
be deemed ready for the mainstream.


GB
--
"Most police misconduct occurs when citizens challenge an individual
officer's authority" (Reiss, 1971 c.in Jermier & Berkes 1979)
Mike Andrews
2006-10-25 13:01:53 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Well, I interpret political spam as a request to dump the politician
sending it. I only open spam in order to send a complaint about it.
I'm in the habit of sending nicely worded letters to the fax
spammers that offer all kinds corporatey stuff pointing out
that it is my policy as the responsible tech purchasing agent
for my department to place those who send me unsolicited
advertising materials on our Do Not Buy buy list for a period
of one year. I close by politely wishing them better fortune
next year.
The Fax Machine (tm) happens to be physically located in a spot
that I walk past en-route from my office to the boss' office. One
fine day I found myself in the interesting position of holding a
ready-to-be-signed-by-the-boss purchase order for about $10,000
worth of printers in one hand, and an item of fax spam from the
intended supplier in the other.
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next
year.
NEXT!
Well done, I say! Oh, well done indeed!
--
Individual stupidity is amplified by networking it.
-- Brian McNett
Henceforth this will be referred to as McNett's Law.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2006-10-25 23:59:01 UTC
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The Fax Machine (tm) happens to be physically located in a spot that
I walk past en-route from my office to the boss' office. One fine day
I found myself in the interesting position of holding a
ready-to-be-signed-by-the-boss purchase order for about $10,000 worth
of printers in one hand, and an item of fax spam from the intended
supplier in the other.
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next year.
"Oh schadenfreude, oh schadenfreude"
--
Shmuel, speaking for the kzinti (TANK)
GB
2006-10-26 12:16:22 UTC
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Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Post by GB
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next year.
"Oh schadenfreude, oh schadenfreude"
Gargle translated text: “Oh harming joy, oh harming joy”

How perfectly appropriate! :-)


GB
--
"Most police misconduct occurs when citizens challenge an individual
officer's authority" (Reiss, 1971 c.in Jermier & Berkes 1979)
Stuart Lamble
2006-10-26 21:55:05 UTC
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Post by GB
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
"Oh schadenfreude, oh schadenfreude"
Gargle translated text: “Oh harming joy, oh harming joy”
How perfectly appropriate! :-)
More accurately, schadenfreude is taking delight in another's misery.
--
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the mail bounces, try changing the bit before the "@" to "usenet".
Jasper Janssen
2006-10-27 13:20:47 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:59:01 -0300, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
The Fax Machine (tm) happens to be physically located in a spot that
I walk past en-route from my office to the boss' office. One fine day
I found myself in the interesting position of holding a
ready-to-be-signed-by-the-boss purchase order for about $10,000 worth
of printers in one hand, and an item of fax spam from the intended
supplier in the other.
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next year.
"Oh schadenfreude, oh schadenfreude"
To the tune of "Oh Tanenbaum"?

Jasper
SteveD
2006-10-27 13:48:55 UTC
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Post by Jasper Janssen
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:59:01 -0300, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
"Oh schadenfreude, oh schadenfreude"
To the tune of "Oh Tanenbaum"?
"...how others' pain delights us!
O schadenfreude, O schadenfreude,
How others' pain delights us!

You're keen and welcome to our sight
Appealing to our sense of right
O schadenfreude, O schadenfreude,
How others' pain delights us!"
Taki Kogoma
2006-10-27 15:51:57 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 13:20:47 GMT, Jasper Janssen <***@jjanssen.org>
allegedly declared to alt.sysadmin.recovery...
Post by Jasper Janssen
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:59:01 -0300, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
The Fax Machine (tm) happens to be physically located in a spot that
I walk past en-route from my office to the boss' office. One fine day
I found myself in the interesting position of holding a
ready-to-be-signed-by-the-boss purchase order for about $10,000 worth
of printers in one hand, and an item of fax spam from the intended
supplier in the other.
I returned to my office and penned a polite email to the sales
droid, and closed by politely wishing her better fortune next year.
"Oh schadenfreude, oh schadenfreude"
To the tune of "Oh Tanenbaum"?
Too many syllables.
--
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Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider.
Steve VanDevender
2006-10-27 17:39:47 UTC
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Post by Jasper Janssen
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:59:01 -0300, "Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz"
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
"Oh schadenfreude, oh schadenfreude"
To the tune of "Oh Tanenbaum"?
Is that the song about MINIX?
--
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Roger Burton West
2006-10-25 15:02:32 UTC
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Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Well, I interpret political spam as a request to dump the politician
sending it.
At least some of the political spammers have noticed this. See also
"Joe-job".

R
Jim Richardson
2006-10-26 08:07:40 UTC
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:02:32 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Roger Burton West
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Well, I interpret political spam as a request to dump the politician
sending it.
At least some of the political spammers have noticed this. See also
"Joe-job".
is there ever a downside to dumping a politician?
--
Jim Richardson http://www.eskimo.com/~warlock
When you've paid $900 for a hammer, all of your problems start to look like
nails.
Taki Kogoma
2006-10-26 15:37:52 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:07:40 -0700, Jim Richardson <***@eskimo.com>
allegedly declared to alt.sysadmin.recovery...
Post by Jim Richardson
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:02:32 +0000 (UTC),
Post by Roger Burton West
Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Well, I interpret political spam as a request to dump the politician
sending it.
At least some of the political spammers have noticed this. See also
"Joe-job".
is there ever a downside to dumping a politician?
A bureaucrat might end up with the job?

Gym "Coat's the olive drab number...3rd on the left..." Quirk
--
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Just an article detector on the Information Supercollider.
Peter Corlett
2006-10-26 14:25:55 UTC
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Roger Burton West <***@nospam.firedrake.org> wrote:
[...]
Post by Roger Burton West
At least some of the political spammers have noticed this. See also
"Joe-job".
I am aware of one UK political party who did in fact bother to check numbers
against the TPS. There was momentary consideration to calling the TPS-listed
numbers with an arrogant pitch for the rival party, but surprisingly, they
decided to be ethical and respected their wishes.
Phil Launchbury
2006-10-26 15:52:01 UTC
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Post by Peter Corlett
I am aware of one UK political party who did in fact bother to check numbers
against the TPS. There was momentary consideration to calling the TPS-listed
numbers with an arrogant pitch for the rival party, but surprisingly, they
decided to be ethical and respected their wishes.
Let me guess - the same people who were intelligent enough to use our
outside post box rather than shoving stuff through the letterbox for
the dog to destroy?

Would that be a party formerly headed by a red-haired Scots guy with an
alcohol problem?

Phil
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Peter Corlett
2006-10-27 10:42:42 UTC
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Phil Launchbury <phil-***@launchbury.Unmunge.org.uk> wrote:
[...]
Post by Phil Launchbury
Would that be a party formerly headed by a red-haired Scots guy with an
alcohol problem?
YMTTICPC.
Phil Launchbury
2006-10-27 10:59:36 UTC
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Post by Peter Corlett
[...]
Post by Phil Launchbury
Would that be a party formerly headed by a red-haired Scots guy with an
alcohol problem?
YMTTICPC.
<Confused at Swindon>

Phil
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Jim
2006-10-27 11:00:37 UTC
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Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
[...]
Post by Phil Launchbury
Would that be a party formerly headed by a red-haired Scots guy with an
alcohol problem?
YMTTICPC.
<Confused at Swindon>
Yes, I've often found myself thinking about Swindon in a 'Why?' kind of way.

Jim
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Phil Launchbury
2006-10-27 11:57:34 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
[...]
Post by Phil Launchbury
Would that be a party formerly headed by a red-haired Scots guy with an
alcohol problem?
YMTTICPC.
<Confused at Swindon>
Yes, I've often found myself thinking about Swindon in a 'Why?' kind of way.
I dunno - it's by no means the worst place I have lived (Leicester
student-land springs to mind).

Mind you I think the road planners have an employment requirement to
have been people who did heavy acid in the 60's and still suffer from
flashbacks.

No - the confused bit was enquiring as to the meaning of the acronym as
giggle was unexpectedly unable to resolve it..

Phil
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Jim
2006-10-27 12:00:19 UTC
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Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Jim
Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
Post by Phil Launchbury
Would that be a party formerly headed by a red-haired Scots guy with an
alcohol problem?
YMTTICPC.
<Confused at Swindon>
Yes, I've often found myself thinking about Swindon in a 'Why?' kind of way.
I dunno - it's by no means the worst place I have lived (Leicester
student-land springs to mind).
Mind you I think the road planners have an employment requirement to
have been people who did heavy acid in the 60's and still suffer from
flashbacks.
No - the confused bit was enquiring as to the meaning of the acronym as
giggle was unexpectedly unable to resolve it..
Oh, you are a card sir.

Jim
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Ben A L Jemmett
2006-10-27 12:15:54 UTC
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Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
YMTTICPC.
No - the confused bit was enquiring as to the meaning of the acronym
as giggle was unexpectedly unable to resolve it..
If I had to guess, and I fear that I do, I'd take a stab at "You Might
Think That, I Couldn't Possibly Comment."
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Jasper Janssen
2006-10-27 13:22:20 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:15:54 +0000 (UTC), "Ben A L Jemmett"
Post by Ben A L Jemmett
Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
YMTTICPC.
No - the confused bit was enquiring as to the meaning of the acronym
as giggle was unexpectedly unable to resolve it..
If I had to guess, and I fear that I do, I'd take a stab at "You Might
Think That, I Couldn't Possibly Comment."
I've had that trilogy on DVD for a while now, but I still haven't gotten
around to watching it (incidentally: it's cheap. So buy it.).


Jasper
Peter Corlett
2006-10-27 14:59:51 UTC
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[...]
Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
YMTTICPC.
<Confused at Swindon>
I don't think Francis Urquhart would be seen dead in Swindon.
Jim
2006-10-27 14:56:27 UTC
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Post by Peter Corlett
[...]
Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
YMTTICPC.
<Confused at Swindon>
I don't think Francis Urquhart would be seen dead in Swindon.
Oh, I don't know. An unexexplained incident involving a badger, some reasonably
concise travel arrangements for a strangely body-shaped package, a paid observer
with a camera...yeah, I think it could be arranged.

Jim
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Phil Launchbury
2006-10-27 15:06:12 UTC
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Post by Peter Corlett
[...]
Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Peter Corlett
YMTTICPC.
<Confused at Swindon>
I don't think Francis Urquhart would be seen dead in Swindon.
Oh I don't know - I'm sure the locals can summon enough pitchforks and
torches to do the job adequately.

Phil.
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Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2006-10-27 12:19:18 UTC
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Post by Roger Burton West
At least some of the political spammers have noticed this. See also
"Joe-job".
ObQoheleth Read "A Room of Her Own".
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Graham Reed
2006-10-25 22:24:29 UTC
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Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
Well, I interpret political spam as a request to dump the politician
sending it.
...and so I stayed home the last Provincial by-election for my riding.

By Election day, all candidates had violated the "No Soliciting" sign
on my door and had tried telephoning, despite listings with the CDMA
do-not-contact registry. (Why, yes, I don't give a shit if
politicians are exempt from telemarketing restrictions. Not that
Canada has useful telemarketing restrictions.)
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Anthony de Boer - USEnet
2006-10-26 00:13:25 UTC
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Post by Graham Reed
By Election day, all candidates had violated the "No Soliciting" sign
on my door ...
My late father-in-law had a way with door-to-door types that made them
start getting *real* interested in their escape route. Leaving a bit of
ammo out on the kitchen table was part of that strategy.

(Why, _yes_, SWMBO does come by the BOFH nature honestly.)

It would seem to me that you should be able to do much the same; tell
them how you think they should enact specific policies regarding AIX, go
into a lot more detail than they wanted to hear and be far too certain of
the rightness of your quest, and they'll plant a good big flag on your
record in their database.
--
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mark9
2006-10-26 00:36:12 UTC
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Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
Post by Graham Reed
By Election day, all candidates had violated the "No Soliciting" sign
on my door ...
My late father-in-law had a way with door-to-door types that made them
start getting *real* interested in their escape route. Leaving a bit of
ammo out on the kitchen table was part of that strategy.
My mother would answer the door with a large male german shepherd at
her side. Typical interaction went something like this:

would-be solicitor: Uh... Has he been fed?
mother: Not yet.
would-be solicitor: uhh uhh stammer stammer sorry to bother you.

Our regular delivery drivers (back when they actually delivered
packages rather than leaving notes and running back to the truck)
always came armed with doggie treats.
Phil Launchbury
2006-10-26 10:53:58 UTC
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Post by mark9
Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
My late father-in-law had a way with door-to-door types that made them
start getting *real* interested in their escape route. Leaving a bit of
ammo out on the kitchen table was part of that strategy.
My mother would answer the door with a large male german shepherd at
We tend to answer with our Rottweiler/Dobermann standing just behind us
- she looks fearsome enough to be a warning.

The other 3 dogs (rottie/GSD cross, Staffie/Jack Russell cross and the
Dachshund) get shut in the lounge - not so much because they would
attack the person at the door (although the staffie cross does have a
tendancy to eat peoples shoelaces whilst growling loudly) but just
becuase they are fairly enthusiastic in greeting people and trying to
control 3 dogs while having a conversation is a little stressful.
Especially when one of them weighs 50 kilos.

Suzie is enough on her own to make people worried - we haven't had a
problem with trick 'n treaters since she 'accidentally' got out while I
was telling them to remove themselves from our property..

The regular postman knows our dogs and talks to them - most people just
run away. Although tradepeople do get marked as "will hire again" if
they are happy to work while being watched by a small pack of dogs.

Phil.
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'I'm training the bats that live in my cube
to juggle mushrooms'
Zebee Johnstone
2006-10-26 12:18:12 UTC
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In alt.sysadmin.recovery on Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:53:58 +0100
Post by Phil Launchbury
The regular postman knows our dogs and talks to them - most people just
run away. Although tradepeople do get marked as "will hire again" if
they are happy to work while being watched by a small pack of dogs.
at a previous orkplace the job interview included coping with an elderly
bullterrier cross and a young enthusiastic Rottweiler. If you didn't
deal with them you never made it to the interview.

Zebee
Phil Launchbury
2006-10-26 12:44:47 UTC
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Post by Zebee Johnstone
In alt.sysadmin.recovery on Thu, 26 Oct 2006 11:53:58 +0100
at a previous orkplace the job interview included coping with an elderly
bullterrier cross and a young enthusiastic Rottweiler. If you didn't
deal with them you never made it to the interview.
<Nods approvingly>

I think all children should be made to have pets while young. The ones
that survive will be animal-savvy.

Phil
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Howard S Shubs
2006-10-26 23:15:22 UTC
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Post by Phil Launchbury
I think all children should be made to have pets while young. The ones
that survive will be animal-savvy.
Having pets != having dogs.
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Mike Andrews
2006-10-26 23:53:46 UTC
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Post by Howard S Shubs
Post by Phil Launchbury
I think all children should be made to have pets while young. The ones
that survive will be animal-savvy.
Having pets != having dogs.
s/dogs/animals/

Melody has a service dog, which alerts her to sounds she can't hear --
doorbells, phone ringers, the alarm clock, &c. Some folks have service
horses, which serve as a stable platform to help them get up when
they've fallen, or service monkeys, which fetch things and turn on
lights. I'm sure there are other varieties of critters, but don't
expect that salesweasels will ever be domesticated and trained to be
of any real use to humanity.
--
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Engineering graduate: "I wonder how that works."
Accounting graduate: "I wonder how much it cost to make that work."
English graduate: "Do you want fries with that?" -- Sawyer (paraphrased)
Phil Launchbury
2006-10-27 08:53:13 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
Melody has a service dog, which alerts her to sounds she can't hear --
doorbells, phone ringers, the alarm clock, &c. Some folks have service
Our GSD/Rottie cross is good that this (and has never been trained to
do it) - if we are out in the garden and the phone rings he will herd
one of us back into the house to answer it. We assume that he (being a
reasonably bright dog) has made the correlation between the noise of
the phone and us responding to it.
Post by Mike Andrews
expect that salesweasels will ever be domesticated and trained to be
of any real use to humanity.
Oh I dunno - given suitable injections (something like rabies) they
could be used as pest eliminators for spammers.

Phil
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Paul Martin
2006-10-27 11:50:04 UTC
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Post by Phil Launchbury
Post by Mike Andrews
Melody has a service dog, which alerts her to sounds she can't hear --
doorbells, phone ringers, the alarm clock, &c. Some folks have service
Our GSD/Rottie cross is good that this (and has never been trained to
do it) - if we are out in the garden and the phone rings he will herd
one of us back into the house to answer it. We assume that he (being a
reasonably bright dog) has made the correlation between the noise of
the phone and us responding to it.
Similarly, the current front doorbell at my parents' house is a bit
feeble, making it difficult to hear. The labrador alerts them to this,
as he's associated the doorbell ringing with an opportunity to meet
people, which he likes.
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Eric Schwartz
2006-10-27 15:46:56 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
Melody has a service dog, which alerts her to sounds she can't hear --
I don't recall you saying, but is she Deaf? Or does she just have a
notch filter at those frequencies?
Post by Mike Andrews
doorbells, phone ringers, the alarm clock, &c. Some folks have service
horses, which serve as a stable platform to help them get up when
they've fallen, or service monkeys, which fetch things and turn on
lights.
I've known some lusers who probably had service bonobos to... ugh,
nevermind, even I don't want to think about that.
Post by Mike Andrews
I'm sure there are other varieties of critters, but don't
expect that salesweasels will ever be domesticated and trained to be
of any real use to humanity.
Oh, I don't know... we need *somebody* to serve as a periodic reminder
to the clued that you shouldn't kiss the third rail.

-=Eric
Mike Andrews
2006-10-27 16:42:09 UTC
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Post by Eric Schwartz
Post by Mike Andrews
Melody has a service dog, which alerts her to sounds she can't hear --
I don't recall you saying, but is she Deaf? Or does she just have a
notch filter at those frequencies?
Severe notch, bilateral. She was a good girl, and didn't listen to
loud rock music, unlike her contemporaries, who need hearing aids
because of that misguided indulgence. Instead, she played viola in a
symphony orchestra for 15 years, sitting right in front of the brass,
and that's why she needs hearing aids.
Post by Eric Schwartz
Post by Mike Andrews
doorbells, phone ringers, the alarm clock, &c. Some folks have service
horses, which serve as a stable platform to help them get up when
they've fallen, or service monkeys, which fetch things and turn on
lights.
I've known some lusers who probably had service bonobos to... ugh,
nevermind, even I don't want to think about that.
My squick facility appears to be busy now. I wonder why.
Post by Eric Schwartz
Post by Mike Andrews
I'm sure there are other varieties of critters, but don't
expect that salesweasels will ever be domesticated and trained to be
of any real use to humanity.
Oh, I don't know... we need *somebody* to serve as a periodic reminder
to the clued that you shouldn't kiss the third rail.
I'm a great believer in The Power Of Public Example And Shame.
--
The official state religion of France is Bureaucracy. They've replaced
the Trinity with the Triplicate.

(David Richerby)
Phil Launchbury
2006-10-27 08:50:37 UTC
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Post by Howard S Shubs
Post by Phil Launchbury
I think all children should be made to have pets while young. The ones
that survive will be animal-savvy.
Having pets != having dogs.
No - really? Gosh - I never would have realised that.

Now please point out to me where the word 'dogs' appears in my above bit
of quoted text..

I know of people who dealt with their youngest childs morbid fear of
dogs (which it had for no reason - it had never come into contact with
one but it's mother was terribly afraid of them too) by getting a cat.
Why did it work you ask?

Because it taught the child two things - non-human entities are safe
when treated with appropriate respect and b) small furry things are
nice. And then when they visited a friend who had a small dog said
child treated dog as if it were a cat (hold finger out to let animal
sniff then stroke animal).

Said child grew up to have dogs.

Phil.
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Paul Martin
2006-10-26 17:07:24 UTC
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Post by Zebee Johnstone
at a previous orkplace the job interview included coping with an elderly
bullterrier cross and a young enthusiastic Rottweiler. If you didn't
deal with them you never made it to the interview.
Interestingly, a good approach to a friendly but overenthusiastic dog is
to ignore them until you've deigned to be ready to greet them. A friendly
dog will get a sniff of the back of my hand and a scratch behind the
ear, which usually satisfies them.

If the dog's on its own, on its own pad, leave well alone. Even the
friendliest dog, including one which knows you already, will defend its
territory if there's no backup around.
--
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Zebee Johnstone
2006-10-26 20:14:56 UTC
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In alt.sysadmin.recovery on 26 Oct 2006 17:07:24 GMT
Post by Paul Martin
Post by Zebee Johnstone
at a previous orkplace the job interview included coping with an elderly
bullterrier cross and a young enthusiastic Rottweiler. If you didn't
deal with them you never made it to the interview.
Interestingly, a good approach to a friendly but overenthusiastic dog is
to ignore them until you've deigned to be ready to greet them. A friendly
dog will get a sniff of the back of my hand and a scratch behind the
ear, which usually satisfies them.
Yup. ROtty in question wasn't over enthusiastic mostly but did tend
to bark a bit and get close which can put people off. THe elderly
bullterrier was a bit more standoffish from memory but still wanted
attention.

When I turned up for interview I was surprised to see the dogs but
figured that if they were in the habit of biting candidates the place
would never hire anyone so I did the "stop, talk, hold out hand for
sniff, skritch behind ears" bit and they accompanied me down the path
where the next interview hurdle began which was if your company
manners included people in wheelchairs.

Later on "other duties as directed" including skiving off for a bit by
taking dogs for walks and some tick checking and dog brushing, which
is a nice break from dealing with broken backups.

Zebee
Steve VanDevender
2006-10-26 20:37:24 UTC
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Post by Zebee Johnstone
When I turned up for interview I was surprised to see the dogs but
figured that if they were in the habit of biting candidates the place
would never hire anyone so I did the "stop, talk, hold out hand for
sniff, skritch behind ears" bit and they accompanied me down the path
where the next interview hurdle began which was if your company
manners included people in wheelchairs.
<ears perk up> Hmm? Something to do with the Cutter John reaction[1]?

[1] An early _Bloom County_ cartoon had Cutter John, the character who
used a wheelchair, talking to some elderly woman (Bobbi Harlow's
mother?) who sat very stiffly through the first couple of frames while
Cutter John gently tried to ask her if she was nervous around people in
wheelchairs. In the third frame he says "boo" and she freaked out.
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Howard S Shubs
2006-10-26 23:14:31 UTC
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Post by Zebee Johnstone
Later on "other duties as directed" including skiving off for a bit by
taking dogs for walks and some tick checking and dog brushing, which
is a nice break from dealing with broken backups.
Not being a dog person, and not having a problem with this fact, I
probably wouldn't have gotten past the first "hurdle". If it'd been a
cat, that's different.

Having their small children meet you similarly would have been a
problem, as I tend to side step such and look for an adult while
ignoring them.
--
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too much of it at once can kill you.
Zebee Johnstone
2006-10-27 02:29:49 UTC
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In alt.sysadmin.recovery on Thu, 26 Oct 2006 19:14:31 -0400
Post by Howard S Shubs
Post by Zebee Johnstone
Later on "other duties as directed" including skiving off for a bit by
taking dogs for walks and some tick checking and dog brushing, which
is a nice break from dealing with broken backups.
Not being a dog person, and not having a problem with this fact, I
probably wouldn't have gotten past the first "hurdle". If it'd been a
cat, that's different.
The dogs lived there. If you worked there you had to deal with dogs.
And quite often a cat. At one point some pet rats although those kept
themselves to themselves. There was a possum but it was more a
boarder than a pet, hung out on the back deck and only ventured out
now and then.


Zebee
Jasper Janssen
2006-10-27 13:23:17 UTC
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Post by mark9
My mother would answer the door with a large male german shepherd at
would-be solicitor: Uh... Has he been fed?
mother: Not yet.
would-be solicitor: uhh uhh stammer stammer sorry to bother you.
Our regular delivery drivers (back when they actually delivered
packages rather than leaving notes and running back to the truck)
always came armed with doggie treats.
One wonders if the dog has something to do with that tendency.

Jasper
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2006-10-27 12:26:28 UTC
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Post by mark9
My mother would answer the door with a large male german shepherd at
her side.
My brother's ex father-in-law had a vicious animal like that. He shed
leaves all over me. My understanding is that the people who are afraid
of being bitten get bitten, the people who are disgusted by being
licked get licked and the people wearing clean suits get the leaves.
ObASPCA An animal that normally has a gentle temperament can be
trained to bite on command, assuming that you aren't fussy about food
poisoning. I like dogs, so I would give mine a better class of meat
than political spammers.
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
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Graham Reed
2006-10-26 22:06:54 UTC
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Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
It would seem to me that you should be able to do much the same; tell
them how you think they should enact specific policies regarding AIX, go
into a lot more detail than they wanted to hear and be far too certain of
the rightness of your quest, and they'll plant a good big flag on your
record in their database.
Nah, it's time to pull out a different kink for that.

Open the door holding a greased-up over-size dildo, wearing suitable
choices from the whips-and-chains aisle, and whatever else I can find
quickly.

It'll either scare 'em off or lead to a fun afternoon. (And they
won't know the safeword.)

Which reminds me, time for a new .sig.
--
"Help me, please Harold help me!" is not a safeword.
"But I'm a top!" is not a safeword.
"I'm on duty!" is not a safeword.
-- Collected Observations from Delta '06.
Anthony de Boer - USEnet
2006-10-27 02:35:31 UTC
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Post by Graham Reed
Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
It would seem to me that you should be able to do much the same; tell
them how you think they should enact specific policies regarding AIX, ...
Nah, it's time to pull out a different kink for that.
Open the door holding a greased-up over-size dildo, wearing suitable
choices from the whips-and-chains aisle, and whatever else I can find
quickly.
Yes, but that's something they'd actually recognise from their wildest
nightmares. Odds are they might start running while the door is still
open behind them.

Most folks are innocently, blissfully, unaware of AIX.
--
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/ "... I thought banging luser heads on rocks was how \
\ we originally got zeroes." -- Steve VanDevender /
Mike Looney
2006-10-27 03:12:38 UTC
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Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
Post by Graham Reed
Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
It would seem to me that you should be able to do much the same; tell
them how you think they should enact specific policies regarding AIX, ...
Nah, it's time to pull out a different kink for that.
Open the door holding a greased-up over-size dildo, wearing suitable
choices from the whips-and-chains aisle, and whatever else I can find
quickly.
Yes, but that's something they'd actually recognise from their wildest
nightmares. Odds are they might start running while the door is still
open behind them.
One of the exotic dancer room mates I had (will soon be on #5, if you include
The Darling Wife) used to answer the door nude. This caused some
problems with both the JW and LDS types that used to bother us. Well,
problems to them, not to use.


The UPS and FedEx guys, on the other hand, didn't seem to mind so much.
Paul Colquhoun
2006-10-27 04:59:03 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Mike Looney <***@spellbooksoftware.com> wrote:
| On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 02:35:31 +0000 (UTC), Anthony de Boer - USEnet <***@leftmind.net> wrote:
|> Graham Reed posted thus:
|>>***@leftmind.net (Anthony de Boer - USEnet) writes:
|>>> It would seem to me that you should be able to do much the same; tell
|>>> them how you think they should enact specific policies regarding AIX, ...
|>>
|>>Nah, it's time to pull out a different kink for that.
|>>
|>>Open the door holding a greased-up over-size dildo, wearing suitable
|>>choices from the whips-and-chains aisle, and whatever else I can find
|>>quickly.
|>
|> Yes, but that's something they'd actually recognise from their wildest
|> nightmares. Odds are they might start running while the door is still
|> open behind them.
|>
|
| One of the exotic dancer room mates I had (will soon be on #5, if you include
| The Darling Wife) used to answer the door nude. This caused some
| problems with both the JW and LDS types that used to bother us. Well,
| problems to them, not to use.
|
|
| The UPS and FedEx guys, on the other hand, didn't seem to mind so much.


So in your case, they *didn't* just put a tag on the door and run?

On the other hand, a separate delivery for each box in a multi-box order
might get old fairly fast.
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Lionel
2006-10-27 05:45:05 UTC
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 03:12:38 +0000 (UTC), Mike Looney
Post by Mike Looney
One of the exotic dancer room mates I had (will soon be on #5, if you include
The Darling Wife) used to answer the door nude. This caused some
problems with both the JW and LDS types that used to bother us. Well,
problems to them, not to use.
The UPS and FedEx guys, on the other hand, didn't seem to mind so much.
Ah. So there /is/ a way to get couriers to actually deliver parcels,
instead of sneaking up with a "you were out" notice.
--
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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Mike Looney
2006-10-27 08:10:53 UTC
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Post by Lionel
Post by Mike Looney
One of the exotic dancer room mates I had (will soon be on #5, if you include
The Darling Wife) used to answer the door nude. This caused some
problems with both the JW and LDS types that used to bother us. Well,
problems to them, not to use.
The UPS and FedEx guys, on the other hand, didn't seem to mind so much.
Ah. So there /is/ a way to get couriers to actually deliver parcels,
instead of sneaking up with a "you were out" notice.
Yes. Nude 20something redheads seems to do the trick.
Julien Goodwin
2006-10-27 14:40:44 UTC
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Post by Mike Looney
Post by Lionel
Post by Mike Looney
One of the exotic dancer room mates I had (will soon be on #5, if you include
The Darling Wife) used to answer the door nude. This caused some
problems with both the JW and LDS types that used to bother us. Well,
problems to them, not to use.
The UPS and FedEx guys, on the other hand, didn't seem to mind so much.
Ah. So there /is/ a way to get couriers to actually deliver parcels,
instead of sneaking up with a "you were out" notice.
Yes. Nude 20something redheads seems to do the trick.
^ female?

I'd add good looking, but, at least here in Melbourne I've yet to see
one who isn't.

Julien
Paul Martin
2006-10-26 07:51:30 UTC
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Post by Graham Reed
(Why, yes, I don't give a shit if
politicians are exempt from telemarketing restrictions. Not that
Canada has useful telemarketing restrictions.)
I'm getting a lot of VOIP-originated telemarketing calls to my home
phone in the UK... all from +1-604-550-7000, which appears to be an
"anonymous" number in Canada.

"No, I don't want your mobile phone deal, and I told you to take me off
your list yesterday. This number has been listed with the Telephone
Preference Service for over three years."

As it's an "international" call, our TPS scheme (which toothless)
doesn't apply.

The next time, I think I'll ask them to hold and play some
jingly-jangly on-hold music at them for 10 minutes, or forward them to
the "BT Newsline", which is an 0800 number.
--
Paul Martin <***@zetnet.net>
Peter Corlett
2006-10-26 14:36:43 UTC
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Paul Martin <***@zetnet.net> wrote:
[...]
As it's an "international" call, our TPS scheme (which toothless) doesn't
apply.
It *does* if follow-the-money ends up in the EU. Ditto all those calls made
from India on behalf of UK companies. But as you noted, good luck getting
enforcement. Another game of follow-the-money on the TPS itself will tell
you why.

There are some rather entertaining LARTs that can be applied if you have the
will and moderately deep pockets to play with lawyers.
Joe Zeff
2006-10-26 17:19:32 UTC
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Post by Paul Martin
The next time, I think I'll ask them to hold and play some
jingly-jangly on-hold music at them for 10 minutes, or forward them to
the "BT Newsline", which is an 0800 number.
Even beter, is a loop of a modem trying to sync. HTH, HAND.
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
"Always there are two, the BOFH and the PFY."
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Mike Andrews
2006-10-26 17:54:55 UTC
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Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Paul Martin
The next time, I think I'll ask them to hold and play some
jingly-jangly on-hold music at them for 10 minutes, or forward them to
the "BT Newsline", which is an 0800 number.
Even beter, is a loop of a modem trying to sync. HTH, HAND.
I've found that fax tones aren't half bad, either.
--
"Men are from Mars, women are from Venus,
pop psychology is from Uranus." -- ***@lspace.org
Joe Zeff
2006-10-26 19:32:25 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Andrews"
Post by Mike Andrews
Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Paul Martin
The next time, I think I'll ask them to hold and play some
jingly-jangly on-hold music at them for 10 minutes, or forward them to
the "BT Newsline", which is an 0800 number.
Even beter, is a loop of a modem trying to sync. HTH, HAND.
I've found that fax tones aren't half bad, either.
And the difference is?
--
Joe Zeff
The Guy With the Sideburns
Spammers. Can't live with them, can't flay them
and throw them into a bath of coarse sea salt.
http://www.lasfs.info http://www.zeff.us
Mike Andrews
2006-10-26 20:59:44 UTC
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Post by Joe Zeff
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Andrews"
Post by Mike Andrews
Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Paul Martin
The next time, I think I'll ask them to hold and play some
jingly-jangly on-hold music at them for 10 minutes, or forward them to
the "BT Newsline", which is an 0800 number.
Even beter, is a loop of a modem trying to sync. HTH, HAND.
I've found that fax tones aren't half bad, either.
And the difference is?
IME, faxmodem tones are a bit higher.

What I _really_ ought to do is build a low-rate (say 10 Hz) LFSR, and
use it to key some annoying audio tone off and on. Hmmmmm ... .
--
Spam e-mails are the mosquitoes of the Internet
-- Sen Richard Alston
Kevin @kevingoebel.dot. com>
2006-10-27 04:53:46 UTC
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:54:55 +0000 (UTC), "Mike Andrews"
Post by Mike Andrews
Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Paul Martin
The next time, I think I'll ask them to hold and play some
jingly-jangly on-hold music at them for 10 minutes, or forward them to
the "BT Newsline", which is an 0800 number.
Even beter, is a loop of a modem trying to sync. HTH, HAND.
I've found that fax tones aren't half bad, either.
My answering machine just finished taking a month-long barrage of sales call
hangups from Punegre cable Internet. Since we already have their cable TV
and cable Internet service, I'm guessing they are trying to sell their eye
pee cable fone service. I'll never know, because they had a 100% failure
rate to convey their pitch.

95% of the calls occurred during the day - when I wasn't home - and they
never left a message on my answering machine. 5% of the calls occured while
I was home, and when I was faster than the answering machine, I would just
lift the receiver off the hook for a second, then hang it up and let the
answering machine get the followup call.

I love my answering machine.

Kevin
Graham Reed
2006-10-26 22:08:45 UTC
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Post by Joe Zeff
Even beter, is a loop of a modem trying to sync. HTH, HAND.
Someone actually connected to my home machine's modem yesterday.
At 1200 BPS. Without error correction.
And tried to use ^B|^M as a user name.

(I figure it was some dodgy fax machine.)
--
"Help me, please Harold help me!" is not a safeword.
"But I'm a top!" is not a safeword.
"I'm on duty!" is not a safeword.
-- Collected Observations from Delta '06.
Paul Martin
2006-10-27 11:09:45 UTC
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Post by Joe Zeff
Post by Paul Martin
The next time, I think I'll ask them to hold and play some
jingly-jangly on-hold music at them for 10 minutes, or forward them to
the "BT Newsline", which is an 0800 number.
Even beter, is a loop of a modem trying to sync. HTH, HAND.
You have obviously never heard the "BT Newsline". It's on 0800 500 005
and is BT's internal propaganda line. If you've got IbVC set up to SJQ,
you can call it for free using *44800500005.
--
Paul Martin <***@zetnet.net>
Peter Corlett
2006-10-27 12:11:02 UTC
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Paul Martin <***@zetnet.net> wrote:
[...]
You have obviously never heard the "BT Newsline". It's on 0800 500 005 and
is BT's internal propaganda line. If you've got IbVC set up to SJQ, you
can call it for free using *44800500005.
I'm impressed it's still going now that such things could be dumped on an
intranet. A few of us used to listen to it over a decade ago, where it
became known as the "Norman and Debbie Show", and we eagerly waited for the
next episode.

Somewhere, I have a tape recording of the last show with them two until they
replaced them with a couple of umming and ahing amateurs.
Anthony de Boer - USEnet
2006-10-27 02:43:46 UTC
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Post by Paul Martin
I'm getting a lot of VOIP-originated telemarketing calls to my home
phone in the UK... all from +1-604-550-7000, which appears to be an
"anonymous" number in Canada.
I'm unfortunately not as unaware of the guts of how phones work as one
might like to be, and the official listing of 604-550 says the block
belongs to Gryhf (incumbent telco out west), geographical location
being whatever town's name consists of a single hyphen character, and
a special note saying "Routing".

uggc://panp.pn/qngn/np604.ugz

604 itself is the Vancouver area.
--
Anthony de Boer
/ "Now that sendmail.com is going commercial, should we refer \
\ to the commercial version as spendmail?" -- Paul Tomblin /
Peter Corlett
2006-10-27 12:16:01 UTC
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Anthony de Boer - USEnet <***@leftmind.net> wrote:
[...]
Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
I'm unfortunately not as unaware of the guts of how phones work as one
might like to be, and the official listing of 604-550 says the block
belongs to Gryhf (incumbent telco out west), geographical location
being whatever town's name consists of a single hyphen character, and
a special note saying "Routing".
It looks like it's along similar lines to London 020 0 codes that are
magical. I bounce through one to call freephone numbers from my mobile since
London numbers cost me nothing to call, but freephone numbers cost about
14p/min.

(It's a shame the 07744 loophole has been closed by Ibqnsbar too.)
Bill Harzia
2006-10-27 10:55:02 UTC
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My spies tell me that on 26 Oct 2006 07:51:30 GMT, Paul Martin
Post by Paul Martin
I'm getting a lot of VOIP-originated telemarketing calls to my home
phone in the UK... all from +1-604-550-7000, which appears to be an
"anonymous" number in Canada.
I have attempted to ease my ire on this front by dealing with the
(ir)relevant authorities, which I have found out is even more
frustrating than receiving the calls in the first place. You get
bounced between different fiefdoms of OFCOM, ICSTIS and Brutish
Telecon, while achieving nought, with the exception of raising one's
blood pressure to point at which diamonds spontaneously form in my
arteries.

BT are also unable to allow you to block all incoming international
calls. The bastards.

The latest con, which has happened twice this morning, is
someone/thing calling my mobile and hanging up before I can answer. I
recognise the calling number as being premium rated - that's one call
that won't be returned.

When I think about sales weasels and telephones, my thoughts quickly
drift towards bacon slicers, chili oil, acids, psychotropic drugs,
sharpened pencils, mallets, sound proofed rooms and a stainless steel
gurney equipped with hefty leather restraints.

Dave
Dave Vandervies
2006-10-27 02:45:18 UTC
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Post by Graham Reed
...and so I stayed home the last Provincial by-election for my riding.
By Election day, all candidates had violated the "No Soliciting" sign
on my door and had tried telephoning, despite listings with the CDMA
do-not-contact registry.
Better to show up and cast a blank ballot.
It's not quite "None of the above", but if enough voters do it sooner
or later somebody will notice.


dave
--
Dave Vandervies ***@csclub.uwaterloo.ca
Thus, I view the first group as a deluded special case of the second
group.
--Craig S. Kaplan in uw.general
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2006-10-27 12:20:30 UTC
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....and so I stayed home the last Provincial by-election for my
riding.
You're not allowed to write in Franz Kafka?
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> ISO position
Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
(S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003)
Eric Schwartz
2006-10-27 15:49:46 UTC
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Post by Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
....and so I stayed home the last Provincial by-election for my
riding.
You're not allowed to write in Franz Kafka?
At this point, I doubt he'd object too strenuously.

-=Eric
Brian Kantor
2006-10-24 21:15:29 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
I'm seeing partisan political spam like it's going out of style -- and
it will be, come 7 PM local on November 7, when the polls close. But
Yah, we get lots of those too, but the 'free speech' policy on
campus would prevent us from blocking them even if the 'privacy'
policy allowed us to look inside the mail. All we can do is
throttle the sending systems.

The number of telephone calls that play a recorded "hi mumble illegal
immigrants mumble" and other political hotbuttons is getting out
of hand. So far every one of them violates California PUC regulation
2874 but I doubt that'll ever be enforced.

I've already voted.
I can't wait for the election to be over.

I expect to get reamed twice on Nov 8. Once seeing the election
results, and again an hour later by the proctologist.
- Brian
Mike Andrews
2006-10-24 21:46:10 UTC
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Post by Brian Kantor
I expect to get reamed twice on Nov 8. Once seeing the election
results, and again an hour later by the proctologist.
SNARF!

D'you prefer with no attribution, short ("Brian, in the Monastery"),
or something else (Specify:___________________________________________)?
--
I expect to get reamed twice on Nov 8. Once seeing the election
results, and again an hour later by the proctologist.
Brian Kantor
2006-10-25 02:37:37 UTC
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Post by Mike Andrews
short ("Brian, in the Monastery"),
Anthony de Boer - USEnet
2006-10-24 23:06:44 UTC
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Post by Brian Kantor
I expect to get reamed twice on Nov 8. Once seeing the election
results, and again an hour later by the proctologist.
You just *know* something will happen at work that day to complete
the hat trick.
--
Anthony de Boer
/ "Exploit is announced. \
[ Server runs an old version. ]
\ A root compromise." -- Alan J Rosenthal /
Lionel
2006-10-25 00:44:11 UTC
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Post by Anthony de Boer - USEnet
Post by Brian Kantor
I expect to get reamed twice on Nov 8. Once seeing the election
results, and again an hour later by the proctologist.
You just *know* something will happen at work that day to complete
the hat trick.
Rectal gonorrhea. </pessimist>
--
W
. | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because
\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
m***@worldnet.att.net
2006-10-25 01:10:49 UTC
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Yah, we get lots of [political spams] too, but the 'free speech'
policy on campus would prevent us from blocking them even if the
'privacy' policy allowed us to look inside the mail. All we can
do is throttle the sending systems.
I think you mis-spelled "frea speach". As far as fixing it, you could
get a text-to-speech program, and have the computer call up random
extensions on campus and read the spam to whoever answers. When people
complain, don't shut it off, just have it not call as often. In other
words, make the phone system work just like the email system wrt spam.
The policy on blocking will be changed next week, probably to one
that authorizes nuclear "source quench" devices.

Matt Roberds
Steve VanDevender
2006-10-25 16:56:51 UTC
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Post by Brian Kantor
I expect to get reamed twice on Nov 8. Once seeing the election
results, and again an hour later by the proctologist.
Hey, look on the bright side, at least there's a chance the proctologist
could be convinced to use lube, or even local anesthetic.
--
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***@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
"bash awk grep perl sed df du, du-du du-du,
vi troff su fsck rm * halt LART LART LART!" -- the Swedish BOFH
Brian Kantor
2006-10-25 19:00:29 UTC
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Post by Steve VanDevender
Hey, look on the bright side, at least there's a chance the proctologist
could be convinced to use lube, or even local anesthetic.
She'd better damn well use both, like she promised.
Plus versed so I don't remember it.

There isn't, I regret to say, anything that will keep the pain
of the election results away from me, except emigration. And
the cats wouldn't like that at all.
- Brian
Steve VanDevender
2006-10-27 05:00:25 UTC
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Post by Brian Kantor
Post by Steve VanDevender
Hey, look on the bright side, at least there's a chance the proctologist
could be convinced to use lube, or even local anesthetic.
She'd better damn well use both, like she promised.
Plus versed so I don't remember it.
One time the ambulance guys said they were giving me something like
that, which they said would affect my memory. I remember them telling
me that, and I remember them giving it to me, and I remember the rest of
the ambulance ride after that, and the emergency room visit after that.

But I don't remember the name of medication they said they were giving
me. Hmm.
--
Steve VanDevender "I ride the big iron" http://hexadecimal.uoregon.edu/
***@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu PGP keyprint 4AD7AF61F0B9DE87 522902969C0A7EE8
Little things break, circuitry burns / Time flies while my little world turns
Every day comes, every day goes / 100 years and nobody shows -- Happy Rhodes
Brian Kantor
2006-10-27 15:54:10 UTC
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Post by Steve VanDevender
One time the ambulance guys said they were giving me something like
that, which they said would affect my memory. I remember them telling
me that, and I remember them giving it to me, and I remember the rest of
the ambulance ride after that, and the emergency room visit after that.
Yeah, different for different people and different doses.

Last time I was given Versed, right after the injection I felt it hit,
and I remember the doctor saying "count backwards from 100" to which
I replied, "I can't, I'm too stoned." I don't remember anything
of the next 45 minutes, but from the videotape of the procedure, I
seemed quite docile and cooperative whilst they shoved that camera
snake down my throat. Woke up feeling quite refreshed - except for
the sore throat.
- Brian
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
2006-10-27 12:17:06 UTC
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Post by Steve VanDevender
Hey, look on the bright side, at least there's a chance the
proctologist could be convinced to use lube, or even local
anesthetic.
Yes, but the elections don't require prep. Is there a proctologist
practicing on Fleet Street?
--
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Reply to domain Patriot dot net user shmuel+bspfh to contact me.
We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress.
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