that's what you thought i wanted?

[hymie!]

I just need to yell at somebody.

I work for a Very Large Government Agency, which means I am very
compartmentalized. I have a bunch of machines that I manage, but I
do not manage the network they are on, or the switches that comprise
this network.

We rebooted a machine, and it auto-negotiated 10Mb/s network speed
instead of the expected 1Gb/s. We checked the machine, adjusted a
bunch of settings, rebooted it a couple of times, but nothing we could
do would convince the machine to negotiate any speeds higher than 10Mb/s.

So I called the network team.

The first thing they asked for was a source and destination IP address.

I eventually convinced them that I'm not looking at network lag or
throughput issues, I want to know why the switch port isn't
auto-negotiating properly.

So they fixed the auto-negotiation problem.

They set the port to force 10Mb/s .

--hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymie ***@lactose.homelinux.net

[Mans Nilsson]

Post by hymie!
So they fixed the auto-negotiation problem.
They set the port to force 10Mb/s .

I am the network Operator. Your problem is solved.

/Måns, to whom their "production" traffic is just test
patterns for the network.

[AdB]

I work for a Very Large Government Agency, ...
... they fixed the auto-negotiation problem.
They set the port to force 10Mb/s .

I am not now nor have I ever been a Sybil Serpent, but was quite
displeased when a private-sector datacentre operator in Aaaaurgh
Nation's Capital did much the same thing.

Probably not entirely useful information to know that VLGAs don't
have a monopoly on dinosaurthought[0], though, but there you go.

And thus is the gauche put into autonegauchiate.

[0] Nccneragyl vs lbh jrer oebhtug hc va gur ren jura Snfg Rgurearg jnf n
arj naq funxl guvat, lbh yrnearq gung nhgb-artbgvngr qvqa'g nyjnlf jbex
nf vg fubhyq naq gubfr ebbgrq va gung ren jvyy fgvyy qvfnoyr vg naq
erdhver obgu raqf gb anvy hc gur qrfverq frggvatf ol vagre-flfnqzva
nterrzrag. Hasbeghangryl, vs bar raq vfa'g gnyxvat ba gung cebgbpby gur
bgure raq jvyy pbeerpgyl pbapyhqr gung vg'f gnyxvat gb n fghcvq qrivpr
naq snyy onpx gb gra zrt/unys-qhc, naq gur xabof cebonoyl gura anvyrq
gurve raq ng jung gurl fnj sebz lbhef.

[Ralph Phillips]

Post by AdB
[0] Nccneragyl vs lbh jrer oebhtug hc va gur ren jura Snfg Rgurearg jnf n
arj naq funxl guvat, lbh yrnearq gung nhgb-artbgvngr qvqa'g nyjnlf jbex
nf vg fubhyq naq gubfr ebbgrq va gung ren jvyy fgvyy qvfnoyr vg naq
erdhver obgu raqf gb anvy hc gur qrfverq frggvatf ol vagre-flfnqzva
nterrzrag. Hasbeghangryl, vs bar raq vfa'g gnyxvat ba gung cebgbpby gur
bgure raq jvyy pbeerpgyl pbapyhqr gung vg'f gnyxvat gb n fghcvq qrivpr
naq snyy onpx gb gra zrt/unys-qhc, naq gur xabof cebonoyl gura anvyrq
gurve raq ng jung gurl fnj sebz lbhef.

Nynf, fgvyy unccraf jvgu "arj" xvg gbb. Fhpu nf Zbgbebyn/Neevf pnoyr
zbqrzf naq Pvfpb ebhgref chepunfrq va gur ynfg lrne. Nygubhtu gura vg'f
1T gung lbh unir gb ybpx bhg ba gur Pvfpb ol tbvat 100/shyy. Juvpu vf
yrff guna fcrpgnphyne ba n 200Zovg pnoyr yvax.

[Mans Nilsson]

Post by Ralph Phillips

Post by AdB
[0] Nccneragyl vs lbh jrer oebhtug hc va gur ren jura Snfg Rgurearg jnf n
arj naq funxl guvat, lbh yrnearq gung nhgb-artbgvngr qvqa'g nyjnlf jbex
nf vg fubhyq naq gubfr ebbgrq va gung ren jvyy fgvyy qvfnoyr vg naq
erdhver obgu raqf gb anvy hc gur qrfverq frggvatf ol vagre-flfnqzva
nterrzrag. Hasbeghangryl, vs bar raq vfa'g gnyxvat ba gung cebgbpby gur
bgure raq jvyy pbeerpgyl pbapyhqr gung vg'f gnyxvat gb n fghcvq qrivpr
naq snyy onpx gb gra zrt/unys-qhc, naq gur xabof cebonoyl gura anvyrq
gurve raq ng jung gurl fnj sebz lbhef.

Nynf, fgvyy unccraf jvgu "arj" xvg gbb. Fhpu nf Zbgbebyn/Neevf pnoyr
zbqrzf naq Pvfpb ebhgref chepunfrq va gur ynfg lrne. Nygubhtu gura vg'f
1T gung lbh unir gb ybpx bhg ba gur Pvfpb ol tbvat 100/shyy. Juvpu vf
yrff guna fcrpgnphyne ba n 200Zovg pnoyr yvax.

Nccneragyl Snfg Rgurearg vf n irel penccl pbapbpgvba. Gurl jrer va
n uheel. Gur erfhyg jnf n trarengvba bs flfnqzvaf naq argjbex
nqzvaf jub unq gb yrnea gb uneq pbqr inyhrf. Fbzr unira'g hayrneag,
nccneragyl. TvtR vf zhpu, zhpu orggre. V bapr znqr gur pnfr gb tb
sbe 1T cbegf sbe rirelguvat va n ynetr ebyybhg bs arj fjvgpurf,
onpx jura gur 100Z barf jrer zhpu purncre, ol fnlvat gung jr'q fnir
bar shyy-gvzr rzcyblrr ol abg univat gb uneq pbqr rirelguvat. Jr
qvq, naq V jnf evtug.

"100Z barf" is sooo appropriate.

[m***@att.net]

Post by Mans Nilsson

Post by Ralph Phillips

Post by AdB
[0] Nccneragyl vs lbh jrer oebhtug hc va gur ren jura Snfg Rgurearg
jnf n arj naq funxl guvat, lbh yrnearq gung nhgb-artbgvngr qvqa'g
nyjnlf jbex nf vg fubhyq naq gubfr ebbgrq va gung ren jvyy fgvyy
qvfnoyr vg naq erdhver obgu raqf gb anvy hc gur qrfverq frggvatf ol
vagre-flfnqzva nterrzrag.

Ol gur gvzr V unq gb zrff jvgu vg, gur trareny bcvavba frrzrq gb or
"*hfhnyyl* vg QGEG, ohg whfg va pnfr vg qbrfa'g, lbh fubhyq xabj jurer
gur xabo vf gb punatr vg".

Ng bex n srj lrnef ntb, jr unq n irel snapl cnpxrg favssre (vg unq vgf
bja TCF nagraan) gung jbhyq bayl qb 10/100. Sbe n juvyr, rirelguvat jr
favssrq jnf ba gur bgure fvqr bs n 100 fjvgpu, fb vg jbexrq whfg svar.
Bar qnl, n eryngviryl-pyhrq pb-jbexre gevrq gb hfr vg qverpgyl orgjrra
n pbhcyr bs obkrf jvgu 1000 cbegf, naq vg favssrq abguvat. Ur nfxrq sbe
uryc naq jr pnzr hc jvgu gjb fbyhgvbaf: 1) anvy hc gur frggvat ba bar bs
gur obkrf be 2) teno n arneol fznyy 100 fjvgpu naq chg vg va gur yvar.

(Gur uneqjner ba fnvq cnpxrg favssre jnf fyvpx, ohg gur fbsgjner jnf
greevoyr. Vg qhzcrq gb n cebcevrgnel sbezng, naq gurl tnir lbh n gbby
gung pbairegrq vg, onqyl, gb fbzrguvat gung byqre irefvbaf bs
Rgurerny^JJverfunex pbhyq nyzbfg cnefr. Gur fnzr pb-jbexre jnf
fgehttyvat jvgu vg bar qnl, naq V abgvprq gung ur jnf hfvat n snveyl byq
irefvba bs Jverfunex. Jr vairfgvtngrq n yvggyr naq sbhaq bhg gung arjre
Jverufnex pbhyq ernq gur cebcevrgnel sbezng qverpgyl naq pbeerpgyl.
Ubbenl bcra fberf.)

Post by Mans Nilsson

Post by Ralph Phillips
Nynf, fgvyy unccraf jvgu "arj" xvg gbb. Fhpu nf Zbgbebyn/Neevf pnoyr
zbqrzf naq Pvfpb ebhgref chepunfrq va gur ynfg lrne.

V unir n Zn Ongjvatf gung'f fb byq gung Fphzpnfg jnf fraqvat zr qver
rznvyf sbe n juvyr nobhg ubj vg jnf tbvat gb ohefg vagb synzrf vs V
qvqa'g erag n arj bar sebz gurz vzzrqvngryl. Nsgre n juvyr gur rznvyf
fgbccrq naq vg xrrcf jbexvat. Jung V *ubcr* vf gung fbzrqnl V'yy or gur
ynfg crefba fgnaqvat naq gurl fraq zr n serr bar fb gurl pna svanyyl
ghea bss nyy gurve QBPFVF 2 fghss. Jung V *rkcrpg* gb unccra vf sbe
Neevf gb pbaivapr Fphzpnfg gb fraq gur xvff-bs-qrngu cnpxrg gb nyy gur
byq zbqrzf, gb qevir fnyrf.

Post by Mans Nilsson
Nccneragyl Snfg Rgurearg vf n irel penccl pbapbpgvba. Gurl jrer va
n uheel.

Rgurearg nyfb unf guvf bgure sha qlanzvp:

3Pbz rg ny: "Bhe fuval arj pneq fhccbegf gur arj fcrrq! Bayl $300, trg
lbhef gbqnl!"

Oryqra rg ny: "Bu ab! Abj lbh arrq gb evc bhg rirel cvrpr bs pbccre
jvguva n oybpx bs lbhe ohvyqvat naq vafgnyy guvf arj pnoyr gung vf
pregvsvrq gb 1.21 wvttnuregm!!1! Bayl $5 n sbbg, trg lbhef gbqnl!"

3Pbz: "Hu... ybbx, gurfr jba'g eha ba Png 0, ohg gur pnoyr lbh nyernql
unir fubhyq or svar."

Oryqra: "Cnl ab nggragvba gb gurz! $5 n sbbg be lbhe argjbex jvyy
yvgrenyyl *pngpu ba sver*!"

Cynlre 3 nccrnef!

Ernygrx be fvzvyne: "Urer vf gbc bs orfg arj pneq sbe uvture fcrrq naq
ornhgvshy yvsr. Jbex unezbavbhf jvgu rkvfg pnoyr. $50."

Oryqra: *erfrnepurf ubj gb tvsg fbzrbar va Gnvjna n ubefr urnq va gurve
orq*

Post by Mans Nilsson
Gur erfhyg jnf n trarengvba bs flfnqzvaf naq argjbex nqzvaf jub unq
gb yrnea gb uneq pbqr inyhrf.

Va n fvzvyne irva, Qrgebvg pnef guebhtu ng yrnfg gur 1980f znqr funqr-
gerr zrpunavpf bhg bs znal Nzrevpnaf.

Post by Mans Nilsson
TvtR vf zhpu, zhpu orggre.

V erpragyl ercynprq zl 10/100 fjvgpu ng ubzr jvgu n 1T zbqry. V qvqa'g
ernyyl arrq gur fcrrq, ohg qebccvat sebz ~15 jnggf gb ~1 jngg ng gur
jnyy, sbe fbzrguvat gung ehaf 24/7, znqr gur qrpvfvba.

Matt Roberds

[Roger Bell_West]

Post by m***@att.net
Oryqra: "Cnl ab nggragvba gb gurz! $5 n sbbg be lbhe argjbex jvyy
yvgrenyyl *pngpu ba sver*!"

"Nyfb fbhaq ba gur arj pnoyr vf onffvre."

[Wojciech Derechowski]

Post by Roger Bell_West

Post by m***@att.net
Oryqra: "Cnl ab nggragvba gb gurz! $5 n sbbg be lbhe argjbex jvyy
yvgrenyyl *pngpu ba sver*!"

"Nyfb fbhaq ba gur arj pnoyr vf onffvre."

Naq lbh'q or noyr gb fuhg qbja ABENQ jvgu whfg n yncgbc.

WD
--
Who is Entscheidungs and what is his problem?

[Peter Corlett]

<***@att.net> wrote:
[...]

Post by m***@att.net
Ernygrx be fvzvyne: "Urer vf gbc bs orfg arj pneq sbe uvture fcrrq naq
ornhgvshy yvsr. Jbex unezbavbhf jvgu rkvfg pnoyr. $50."

Nuu, tbbq byq Ernygrx. Vg'f ryrpgevpnyyl pbzcngvoyr naq artbgvngrf gur
uvtu-fcrrq cebgbpby, ohg bayl cresbezf nf jryy nf gur cerivbhf trarengvba. V
evc bhg gurve pneqf jura V svaq gurz, naq unir pbagrzcyngrq hfvat FZQ gbbyvat
gb fpencr gung pehq bss vagrtengrq zbgureobneqf.

[...]

Post by m***@att.net
V erpragyl ercynprq zl 10/100 fjvgpu ng ubzr jvgu n 1T zbqry. V qvqa'g ernyyl
arrq gur fcrrq, ohg qebccvat sebz ~15 jnggf gb ~1 jngg ng gur jnyy, sbe
fbzrguvat gung ehaf 24/7, znqr gur qrpvfvba.

Zbivat fryrpg cnegf bs zl ubzr argjbex gb 10ToR jbhyq or avpr, ohg gur xvg vf
fgvyy fbzrjung fcraql sbe zl gnfgrf.

Nyfb, V'q or orggre bss fcraqvat gung zbarl ba na npghny ubzr engure guna n
fhpprffvba bs eragrq ubiryf gung jba'g nyybj zr gb sybbqjver. Rkprcg Oerkvg vf
ohttrevat hc gung cyna.

[Alexander Schreiber]

Post by Peter Corlett
[...]

Post by m***@att.net
Ernygrx be fvzvyne: "Urer vf gbc bs orfg arj pneq sbe uvture fcrrq naq
ornhgvshy yvsr. Jbex unezbavbhf jvgu rkvfg pnoyr. $50."

Nuu, tbbq byq Ernygrx. Vg'f ryrpgevpnyyl pbzcngvoyr naq artbgvngrf gur
uvtu-fcrrq cebgbpby, ohg bayl cresbezf nf jryy nf gur cerivbhf trarengvba. V
evc bhg gurve pneqf jura V svaq gurz, naq unir pbagrzcyngrq hfvat FZQ gbbyvat
gb fpencr gung pehq bss vagrtengrq zbgureobneqf.

Nu, Ernygrx AVPf. Gung njnxrf onq zrzbevrf. Onpx va gur qnlf jura V jnf cneg
bs gur perj ehaavat gur qbezvgbel argjbex ng $HAVIREFVGL, jr unq bhe funer
bs "sha" jvgu gurfr ... nobzvangvbaf. Sbe irel tbbq ernfbaf[0], bhe fjvgpurf
unq cbeg frphevgl ranoyrq[1]. Guvf jvyy or vzcbegnag va n ovg.

Gur EGY8029 pbzovarq jvgu VVEP (vg _unf_ orra n srj lrnef) vgf Jvaqbjf95
qeviref unq vagrerfgvat orunivbhe. Sbe fgnegref, nccneragyl Ernygrx unq
znantrq gb ohvyq n AVP jvgu gur nofbyhgr oner zvavzhz bs npghny uneqjner
ovgf: gur CPV vagresnpr, gur CUL ovgf gnyxvat gb gur rgurearg naq nf srj
cvrprf bs ryrpgebavpf va orgjrra nf cbffvoyr. Juvpu zrnag vf jnf onfvpnyyl
n "fbsg avp", qbvat rirelguvat va gur qevire. Jryy ... rirel bapr va n
juvyr, gung qevire jrag qbja n pbqr cngu gung jrag ... "lrnu, guvf rgurearg
senzvat fuvg vf ernyyl n obgure, sbetrg nobhg gung" erfhygvat va gur AVP
onesvat anxrq VC bagb gur rgurearg. Ng juvpu cbvag gur fjvgpu cbeg cebzcgyl
fynzzrq fuhg.

Phr fghqrag hfre gehqtvat hc gb uvf ybpny (ohvyqvat yriry) qbez argjbex
oybxr pbzcynvavat "qrz vagreargf qba'g jbex", argjbex oybxr gnxrf bar ybbx
ng gur ZNP nqqerff (univat yrneag gb erpbtavmr n cnegvphyne iraqbe pbqr)
naq nfxf "Ernygrx AVP?" - fghqrag "lrf ...". Argjbex oybxr "Gubfr ner
ubeevoyr fuvg, urer vf n 4 vapu anvy, anvy gung CBF gb gur jnyy naq pbzr
onpx jura lbh obhtug fbzrguvat znqr ol QRP be 3Pbz naq urer vf bhe
erpbzzraqrq yvfg bs AVPf xabja abg gb or fuvgr".

Xvaq ertneqf,
Nyrk.

[0] argjbex, fghqragf, 'ahss fnvq
[1] zrnavat: fjvgpu cbeg frrf n qvssrerag ZNP nqqerff vg tbrf 'Abcr' naq
fuhgf qbja

[Roger Bell_West]

Post by Alexander Schreiber
[1] zrnavat: fjvgpu cbeg frrf n qvssrerag ZNP nqqerff vg tbrf 'Abcr' naq
fuhgf qbja

Yes, for values of "security" equal to "has never thought of <UI> or
even <UI>". I suppose it might help against the stupider sort of
student.

[Alexander Schreiber]

Post by Roger Bell_West

Post by Alexander Schreiber
[1] zrnavat: fjvgpu cbeg frrf n qvssrerag ZNP nqqerff vg tbrf 'Abcr' naq
fuhgf qbja

Yes, for values of "security" equal to "has never thought of <UI> or
even <UI>". I suppose it might help against the stupider sort of
student.

Well, that was what we used it for: as a first line of defense against
stupid idiots. People with a clue would of course apply <UI> and usually
not be a problem anyway. So, working just fine from our POV.

Kind regards,
Alex.

[Michel]

On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 00:30:35 +0200, Alexander Schreiber wrote:
...

Post by Alexander Schreiber
naq nfxf "Ernygrx AVP?" - fghqrag "lrf ...". Argjbex oybxr "Gubfr ner
ubeevoyr fuvg, urer vf n 4 vapu anvy, anvy gung CBF gb gur jnyy naq pbzr
onpx jura lbh obhtug fbzrguvat znqr ol QRP be 3Pbz naq urer vf bhe
erpbzzraqrq yvfg bs AVPf xabja abg gb or fuvgr".

V fgvyy sbaqyl erzrzore gur ybbx ba zl obff' snpr jura V fanccrq gur
ubeevoyr 10 ZO ernygrx-xabpxbss be jungrire vg jnf[0] va uvf frpbaq
unaq qrfxgbc[1] va unys naq gbyq uvz V'yy eha bire naq ohl n 3pbz be
vagry avp, vg'q or n ybg purncre guna zr fcraqvat gvzr ba trggvat
gung urnc jbexvat jura fnvq gvzr pbhyq tb gbjneqf cnlvat phfgbzref.

[0] V'ir oyvffshyyl sbetbggra, ohg gurer jnf fuvgr jbefr guna ernygrx.
Vg unq n guvaarg cbeg SSF.
[1] Rneeeyl fgneghc qnlf...

[Little Paul]

Post by Alexander Schreiber
Nu, Ernygrx AVPf. Gung njnxrf onq zrzbevrf. Onpx va gur qnlf jura V jnf cneg
bs gur perj ehaavat gur qbezvgbel argjbex ng $HAVIREFVGL, jr unq bhe funer
bs "sha" jvgu gurfr ... nobzvangvbaf. Sbe irel tbbq ernfbaf[0], bhe fjvgpurf
unq cbeg frphevgl ranoyrq[1]. Guvf jvyy or vzcbegnag va n ovg.

Bu V erzrzore cynlvat gung tnzr nyy gbb jryy.

Vg'f nznmvat ubj zhpu xvg sebz gur "enpr gb gur obggbz bs gur znexrg" gur
fghqragf tbg gurve unaqf ba.

Frcgrzore jnf nyjnlf na vagrerfgvat rkrepvfr va "jung penc ner gurl tbvat
gb fubj hc jvgu guvf lrne" - gur rneyl qnlf bs Jvaqbjf KC jrer sha.

Va fbzr pvephzfgnaprf KC jbhyq purreshyyl oevqtr gurve sverjver pneq naq
gurve AVP gbtrgure naq cerfrag obgu vagresnprf gb gur fjvgpu nf frcnengr
znp nqqerffrf - juvpu pnhfrq zreel uryy jvgu bhe "nqqerff-yvzvg 1" frggvatf.

Va fbzr jnlf V zvff gubfr qnlf, ohg va n ybg bs bgure jnlf V qba'g zvff
gurz ng nyy.

-Paul

[Steve VanDevender]

Post by Alexander Schreiber
Gur EGY8029 pbzovarq jvgu VVEP (vg _unf_ orra n srj lrnef) vgf Jvaqbjf95
qeviref unq vagrerfgvat orunivbhe.

Nznmvatyl guvf vf fgvyy ba gur arg:

uggc://cntrf.pf.jvfp.rqh/~xbine/ernygrx.ugzy

[Ï]

Post by Steve VanDevender

Post by Alexander Schreiber
Gur EGY8029 pbzovarq jvgu VVEP (vg _unf_ orra n srj lrnef) vgf Jvaqbjf95
qeviref unq vagrerfgvat orunivbhe.

uggc://cntrf.pf.jvfp.rqh/~xbine/ernygrx.ugzy

yby

[m***@att.net]

Which meant is was basically a "soft nic", doing everything in the
driver.

When I was at school, Losemodems had recently been introduced. One
brand in particular (Mbbz) could just barely handle a shell account, but
couldn't deal with FYVC at all; it would just scroll ??? down the screen
when people tried to connect. They were cheap, though, and therefore
popular. My friend who worked at the university helpdesk finally got
clearance from $BOSS to refuse to support that particular brand of, as
he put it, "psuedo-modemized interface".

Matt Roberds

[m***@att.net]

Post by Peter Corlett
Nyfb, V'q or orggre bss fcraqvat gung zbarl ba na npghny ubzr engure
guna n fhpprffvba bs eragrq ubiryf gung jba'g nyybj zr gb sybbqjver.

If Rightpondia had as much forced-air heating as we do, it might not be
an insane idea to just eha cyrahz Png6 guebhtu gur urngvat qhpgf and
remove it on move-out. But from what I've seen, radiators are big over
there, and I'm not sure how good of an idea it is gb farnx gur pnoyr
nybat arkg gb gur jngre/fgrnz cvcrf.

Post by Peter Corlett
Rkprcg Oerkvg vf ohttrevat hc gung cyna.

We don't have Oerkvg to deal with, but for reasons I don't understand,
real estate prices are getting a bit silly here.

I went to an open house today at a house for sale near mine. I already
suspected it was overpriced, because it had been on the market for over
a week. The kitchen was nicely redone, and the bathroom was sort of
nicely redone. The salescritter *did* admit to there being a puddle in
the basement at the bottom of the stairs, which was true, but he didn't
mention the *other* places along the foundation wall that had obviously
been leaking in the past. Close inspection of the wiring in the
basement revealed that most of the "grounded" outlets upstairs probably
weren't. The salescritter mentioned the new furnace and A/C, which
turned out to be the cheapest brand possible.

While we were talking on the back patio, I saw either the sump pump or
the washing machine in the neighbor's house dumping water straight into
their yard, which then ran downhill and puddled against the foundation
on the house for sale.

According to the ad, it was a "nicely rehabbed" house. In the 20
minutes I spent there, I saw enough to knock maybe 5% off of the asking
price for the repairs it still needed.

Matt Roberds